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Matthew Futterman On The Secrets of Speed & Endurance

By July 22, 2019January 23rd, 2024No Comments

“Where you’re born, how you’re born and how you grew up are not your destiny. You can change your destiny. If you do the work, you can be better tomorrow than you were yesterday.

 Matthew Futterman

What is the secret to running impossibly fast? Or distances longer than previously imagined?

Beginning in the 1960’s, an unknown farm boy turned coach named Bob Larsen launched a decades-long quest to find the ‘secret sauce’ of speed and endurance that would eventually revolutionize the sport and catapult American running onto the national stage.

This is the story of how Larsen took turned a rag-tag group of also-ran junior college athletes called the Jamul Toads into cult-favorite national champions. Later, he would apply his secret training regimen to athletes like Meb Keflezighi and Deena Kastor to create victories at the New York and Boston Marathons as well as the Olympics.

To unpack this incredible yarn, today I sit down with New York Times Deputy Sports Editor Matthew Futterman.

A graduate of Union College and Columbia University’s Graduate School of Journalism, Matthew has previously worked for The Wall Street Journal, The Philadelphia Inquirer, and the Star-Ledger of New Jersey, where he was a part of the team that won the Pulitzer Prize for Breaking News in 2005.

An avid marathoner, Matthew became obsessed with the history of American distance running and the training innovations that create champions. The result of this quest is his new book, Running to the Edge: A Band of Misfits and the Guru Who Unlocked the Secrets of Speed. Part Bob Larsen biography and part autobiography, it’s a fascinating account of how one maverick coach discovered and developed the unorthodox paradigm that would launch American runners to unprecedented breakthroughs and ultimately inform the protocols of some of today’s most fleet of foot.


From Bob Bowerman and Steve Prefontaine to the quest to break the 2-hour marathon, today’s exploration focuses on the science behind running performance. The ongoing quest to find the secret sauce of speed and endurance. And the evolving crusade to run faster and farther than ever before.

It’s about what can be learned from Bob Larsen’s example, and the methods he pioneered that led to his stature as one of the greatest running coaches of all time.

And it’s about our shared love for the sport of running.

Even if running isn’t your thing, I think you will find this conversation compelling. The stories are legend. And the life lessons applicable across disciplines.

The visually inclined can watch our entire conversation on YouTube here: (please subscribe!) and the podcast is of course available on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

I sincerely hope you enjoy the exchange!

Peace + Plants,


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Notable People Discussed:

  • Amy Einhorn: author, publisher, Executive Vice President of Flatiron Books and Matthew’s wife
  • Bob Larsen: Hall of Fame Track and field athletics coach, known largely for coaching distance runners, main subject of Running to the Edge: A Band of Misfits and the Guru Who Unlocked the Secrets of Speed*
  • Jamul Toads: Running Team. By Mitch Zinn and Bob O’Toole
  • Meb Keflezighi: retired Eritrean-born American long distance runner. He is the 2004 Olympic silver medalist in the marathon and finished in fourth place in the 2012 Summer Olympics
  • Kelly Corrigan: writer, graduate of The University of Richmond and received a Masters in Literature from San Francisco State University
  • Billy Mills: also known as Tamakoce Te’Hila, is an Oglala Lakota former track and field athlete who won a gold medal in the 10,000 meter run at the 1964 Tokyo Olympics, becoming the only person from the Western hemisphere to win Olympic gold in this event
  • Steve Prefontaine: was an American middle and long-distance runner who competed in the 1972 Olympics. While running for the Oregon Track Club, Prefontaine set American records at every distance from 2,000 to 10,000 meters, as he prepared for the 1976 Olympics
  • Bob Bowerman: was an American track and field coach and co-founder of Nike, Inc. Over his career, he trained 31 Olympic athletes, 51 All-Americans, 12 American record-holders, 22 NCAA champions and 16 sub-4 minute milers

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Thanks to Jason Camiolo for production, audio engineering, interstitial music and show notes; Margo Lubin and Blake Curtis for video, editing and graphics. Ali Rogers for portraits. Theme music by Ana Leimma.

*Disclosure: Books and products denoted with an asterisk are hyperlinked to an affiliate program. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to and affiliated sites.

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