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Steve Magness: Do Hard Things—The Science of Resilience

By June 13, 2022January 5th, 2023No Comments
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Episode #686



What does it mean to be resilient? How do you cultivate inner strength? And how do you alchemize discomfort into growth?

A cornerstone of this podcast is exploring why we should all Do Hard Things—which just so happens to be the title of today’s guest’s latest book.

Meet Steve Magness.

Making his third (but first solo) appearance on the show, Steve is a former elite track and field athlete (4:01 miler), elite coach turned author, and world-renowned expert on all things high performance.

In addition, Steve consults on mental skills development for professional sports teams—including some of the top teams in the NBA—and has coached numerous professional athletes to the Olympics and world championship level.

His writing has appeared in Outside, Runner’s World, Forbes, Sports Illustrated, and Men’s Health. His expertise has been  featured everywhere from The New Yorker and the New York Times to the Wall Street Journal. And alongside friend of the podcast Brad Stulberg (see RRP 293, 429 & 677), Steve co-pens the Growth Equation newsletter and co-hosts the podcast of the same name.

“Real toughness is experiencing discomfort, leaning in, and creating space to take thoughtful action.”


Today Steve walks us through a new approach to unlocking true toughness and physical and mental resilience—and how to best lead others to optimal performance.

We discuss Steve’s background as a running prodigy—what he learned from his frustrated ambition to break the lauded 4-minute barrier—and the healthy mind-body-spirit approach to getting the best out of ourselves and those under our tutelage or leadership.

In addition, and for the very first time, Steve openly shares at length his experience working under disgraced coach Alberto Salazar at the Nike Oregon Project—and what ultimately led him to blow the whistle on Salazar’s illegal doping activities.

The visually inclined can watch it all go down on YouTube. As always, the podcast streams wild and free on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

This one is a combination of great stories and actionable takeaways—I hope you enjoy it as much as I did.

Final note: Do Hard Things hits bookstores June 21st but is now available for pre-order here.

Peace + Plants,

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