“We want a sense of wonder and awe in our lives.”
You know that warm, fuzzy feeling you get when two people you love, respect, and admire combine their considerable talents to create a work that exceeds the sum of it’s parts?
That’s the feeling I have right now.
This week I’m proud to share a conversation with two friends, each of whom have graced the show in the past — filmmaker Andrew Morgan and faith provocateur Rob Bell.
Several years ago, Andrew approached Rob with an idea to make a film about the former mega-church pastor’s life and work. Rob agreed, ultimately granting Andrew unprecedented access to his world on one condition — Rob would have zero editorial input or approval over any aspect of the creative collusion.
The result is the recently released documentary, The Heretic* – a behind-the-curtain deep dive into one of the most compelling and polarizing figures in modern day Christianity. With appearances by comedian Pete Holmes and author Elizabeth Gilbert, the film follows Rob over several years as he challenges deeply held conservative ideals while grappling with some of the most important questions of our time: Can faith and science coexist, or do belief and progress stand in opposition? Is religion insufficient for explaining the complexity of our modern world, or does it give language to something even greater? And do spiritual traditions simply serve to further divide our world, or can they offer real help and hope for a better tomorrow?
Today we tackle all of it.
An internationally recognized filmmaker devoted to telling socially conscious stories for a better tomorrow, Andrew Morgan first graced the podcast back in July 2016 (RRP #236) to discuss his beautiful and heartbreaking documentary The True Cost*. Premiering at the 2015 Cannes Film Festival, it’s a movie about the untold story of fashion. It’s about the clothes we wear, the people who make them, and the impact the garment industry is having on human rights and the world we share.
His experience includes a broad range of work that spans narrative and documentary storytelling for multiple film and new media projects that have been filmed and released all over the world. The New York Times described his unique style as “gentle, humane investigations” and Vogue Magazine wrote that it is “evidence that each of us can act as a catalyst for change within our own lives and work together towards a greater good.”
An anti-establishment pastor making an indelible cultural impact on how we think and practice religion in the modern world, Rob Bell first appeared on the podcast in October 2016 (RRP #251). A former mega-church pastor who broke ranks with the formal church institutions and ideologies, he is an independent-minded, creative force of nature with what I would describe as a radically inclusive — almost punk rock —perspective on faith, divinity, and what it means to be human. Breaking ranks with entrenched, pedantic notions of antiquated Christian church doctrine, his message upends the divisive aspects of religious ideology, re-contextualizing the canon as a highly relatable, welcome pallium for all — a comprehensive fiat that boils down to one central premise: Love wins.
Currently touring his latest show entitled Holy Shift, Rob is the author of a dozen books, including the New York Times bestsellers Love Wins*, What We Talk About When We Talk about God*, The Zimzum of Love* and How To Be Here*. His most recent book is entitled What Is The Bible?* and iTunes named his podcast, The RobCast, to it’s list of the Best Podcasts of 2015. He’s been profiled in The New Yorker. He’s toured with Oprah. And in 2011, Time Magazine named him one of the 100 Most Influential People In The World. These days, Rob’s oratory of choice isn’t of the gothic variety. Instead, he prefers to deliver his populist homilies in comedy and improv clubs, including a standing appointment at Largo, Hollywood’s buzzworthy alternative event space known more for indie rock acts like Fiona Apple, Elliot Smith and Rufus Wainwright than homilies about God and man’s place in the universe.
A few weeks ago, I attended the premiere of The Heretic*. I loved it. Elegantly crafted, it’s about so much more than Rob (who, amazingly, hadn’t seen a single frame of the film until that screening). It’s a film about beauty and bravery. It’s about courage and grace. It’s about awe and wonder. And it’s about the quest for unity amidst our current, deeply polarized culture of divisiveness, discontent and religion gone awry.
Rob’s unique and engaging perspective mixed with Andrew’s thoughtful commitment to positively impacting the world is a potent combination that delivers.
My hope is that this documentary and conversation will provoke you to challenge entrenched beliefs that divide rather than unite us.
That it will inspire you to think more deeply about faith and our collective responsibility to each other.
And that it will provoke you to seek your life with both awe and wonder.
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I sincerely hope you enjoy the exchange.
Peace + Plants,
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Watch Andrew Morgan’s latest Rob Bell Documentary The Heretic:
Background, Context & Reference
- Connect With Rob: Website | Twitter | Instagram | Facebook
- Rob’s weekly podcast: RobCast
- RobBell: Everything is Spiritual 2006 Tour Film
- NOOMA: a series of short films: nooma.com
- NBC News: Pennsylvania churchgoers bring AR-15 rifles, wear bullet crowns to commitment ceremony
- CNN: Outlaw pastor Rob Bell shakes up the Bible Belt by John Blake
- Christian Today: Rob Bell returns in ‘The Heretic': New film follows former pastor’s ‘revolution’ by Joseph Hartropp
- TheNewYorker: The Hell-Raiser by Kelefa Sanneh
- ChristianPost: Rob Bell: ‘I Don’t Use the Word Christian, Jesus Would Be Mortified Religion Started in His Name’ by Michael Gryboski
- LATimes: Rob Bell: podcaster, bestselling author, performer and, yes, pastor by Agatha French
- Oprah: Rob Bell: the Best Sermon You Can Preach Is Me Too
- OnFaith: Who’s Really Demeaning the Bible, Anyway? A Q&A with Rob Bell by Ryan Kohls
- HuffPost:Rob Bell, The Pastor Who Questioned Hell, Is Now Surfing, Working With Oprah And Loving Life In L.A. by Sarah Pulliam Bailey
- SuperSoul: Rob Bell: “It’s Ok To Be Open” (Video)
Books by Rob Bell
- How to Be Here: A Guide to Creating a Life Worth Living*
- Velvet Elvis: Repainting the Christian Faith*
- Sex God: Exploring the Endless Connections Between Sexuality and Spirituality*
- Jesus Wants to Save Christians: Learning to Read a Dangerous Book*
- Drops Like Stars: A Few Thoughts on Creativity and Suffering*
- Love Wins: A Book About Heaven, Hell, and the Fate of Every Person Who Ever Lived*
- What We Talk About When We Talk About God*
- The Gods Aren’t Angry*
- Jesus Wants to Save Christians: A Manifesto for the Church in Exile*
- The Zimzum of Love: A New Way of Understanding Marriage* by Rob Bell & Kristen Bell
- How To Be Here: A Guide to Creating a Life Worth Living*
Connect With Andrew
- Connect With Andrew: Twitter | Instagram
- Connect with The True Cost: Twitter | Facebook
- Watch The True Cost: Amazon | iTunes | Netflix | truecostmovie.com
- Andrew’s 1st doc: After The End: A Journey Through Loss To Hope
- NYTimes: Review: ‘The True Cost’ Investigates High Price of Fashion Bargains by Jeanmette Catsoulis
- NYTimes: ‘The True Cost,’ a Different Kind of Fashion Documentary by Vanessa Friedman
- LATimes: Review ‘The True Cost’ exposes hidden cost of cute, cheap fashions by Martin Tsai
- LATimes: ‘The True Cost’ documentary tallies global effect of cheap clothes by Booth Moore
- WSJ: Documentary Exposes Hidden Costs of $8 Jeans by Robin Kawakami
- HuffPost: The True Cost of Fashion: Andrew Morgan on His New Documentary by Nell Minow
Notable People Discussed In Today’s Podcast
- Abraham Joshua Heschel: leading Jewish theologian and philosopher who marched with Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.
- Pete Holmes: comedian, actor, writer, producer, and podcaster
- Peter Rollins: Northern Irish writer, public speaker, philosopher and theologian who is a prominent figure in radical theology
- Elizabeth Gilbert: American author, essayist, short story writer, biographer, novelist, and memoirist
Related Podcasts You Might Enjoy
- RRP #251: Faith Provocateur Rob Bell On God, Divinity & Why Love Always Wins
- RRP #236: Andrew Morgan On The True Cost Of Fast Fashion: The Ethical & Environmental Price Of Clothing
- RRP #312: Drew Sams On Living A Curious Life Of Wonder
- RRP #179: Jason Garner – From A Life of Matter To A Life That Matters
- RRP #151: WuDe – Meditations on Buddhist Philosophy & The Art of Being
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