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On Sobriety, Prison & His Quest to Become The Fastest Human To Run Across The United States

By January 9, 2014August 10th, 202312 Comments

People ask me all the time, “Who inspires you, Rich?”

For the most part, the people that inspire me are people you’ve never heard of.  Everyman guys like Josh LaJaunie who toil tirelessly yet essentially anonymously to actualize profound personal change.  The single dad working two jobs that still finds a way to lose 50 pounds, get off his statin medication and run his first 10K.  Or the soldier stationed in the Middle East doing his best to eat plant-based despite confronting tremendous daily obstacles.

Then there are guys like Charlie.

The story of Charlie Engle first found it’s way into my consciousness back around 2006 or 2007.  I still vividly recall hearing Charlie relate the facts of his experience in a radio interview he did with a host I cannot recall.  What I do recall is just how moved I was by his journey.  A story that didn’t just click with me, but one I related to with every fiber of who I am.

Addict.  Alcoholic.  Sober. Ultrarunner.  Father.  Felon.  Inspiration.

Charlie is a man of very high highs and very low lows.  A man with addiction and athletic stories of Gilgamesh proportions that make Finding Ultra sound like pre-school recess.  An alcoholic crack addict essentially living out of his car, it took gunshots in his Toyota 4-Runner and the birth of his son in 1992 to finally get sober.  Ultrarunning became the focus of his affections, an affair that took him to stunning heights and accolades, the nadir being an unprecedented 111-day run across the Sahara Desert with compadres Ray Zahab and Kevin Lin — a feat chronicled in the Matt Damon narrated documentary entitled Running the Sahara.

Life was pretty good.  Certainly not entirely balanced, but hey, nobody’s perfect.  He had done some amazing things. Maybe he had a shot at some modicum of happiness after all.

Then came quite possibly the most improbable, unpredictable challenge he could ever imagine facing.  A saga with all the trappings of a bad B-movie.  An obsessed local IRS agent illogically hell-bent on justice.  Wire taps.  Garbage probes.  And the requisite wily female dispatched to enchant and entrap.  A saga culminating in a federal conviction for mortgage fraud for misstating income on so-called “liar loan” documents (something hundreds of thousands of people did), Charlie heads to Beckley Federal Prison in West Virginia.  A poster child for everything awry with the mortgage backed security crisis and fallout of recent years, Charlie serves 16 months.

How do you survive something like that?

And yet Charlie comes out the other side not just intact, but quite possibly more whole than when he entered.  A man changed by the experience, but maybe more attuned to what really matters.

And a man running better than ever.  Just one year after his release, Charlie returned to the Badwater 135 to clock a 5th place finish and break the master’s world record by over 3 hours.  Next up?  Aside from getting married this weekend, Charlie will attempt to run across the United States faster than any human being ever has previously.  A feat he calls Run 2 Boston, Charlie and wheelchair athlete extraordinaire André Kajlic will line up at the LA Marathon on March 9, complete the 26.2 miles and then just keep going.  And going.  Until they reach Boston, where they will run that marathon.  All in an effort to raise funds and awareness for the victim’s of last years’ Boston Marathon bombing.  The idea is to complete the distance in 44 days, which means averaging 70 miles a day.

70 miles of running every day for 44 days straight.

Wow.  Is that even possible?  And after everything he has endured, why?  For the nitty gritty, you’ll have to tune in.  This is a conversation I’ve been dying to have for a very long time, and it didn’t disappoint.  I hope you enjoy it.

By the way, if you haven’t seen Running the Sahara, check it out (you can watch it on Netflix) – here’s the trailer:


Thanks for listening and thanks for the support!


  • Huh? says:

    A vegetarian who eats fish oil? When did fish start growing on trees?

  • Donna says:

    Looking forward to the interview with charlie. Running the Sahara was great and always thought he got a real bad rap on the mortgage deal. Glad he has come out the other end and look forward to having him finish the Boston marathon in April.

  • amigo says:

    Remember, don’t be unable to see the forest for the trees. I can’t remember the name of the Dr. from Texas who was on one of the podcasts, but he also mentioned this is the one thing he does supplement with

  • anarekey2000 says:

    Rich, another great interview. This podcast keeps getting better and better. Running the Saraha and Marshall Ulrich’s book painted Charlie in a fairly negative light, but I’m happy to see that he is quite different from how he has been portrayed. I’m looking forward to his book and following Run to Boston. All the best.

  • BYOL says:

    Another great one Rich! Happy New Year to you and your fam! Hope to catch you outside of Whole Foods again soon!

  • NateM says:

    What a great conversation. Like some other episodes, I really enjoy the discussion on the aspects of recovery. I hope others take something from it too.

  • Kelly Mahoney says:

    don’t see this interview on Stitcher. It shows John Joseph as your latest episode. is it just me?

  • Kelly Mahoney says:

    Stitcher is updating episodes now.

  • JasonRH says:

    I watched Running the Sahara after hearing this podcast episode and while it does cast Charlie in a somewhat negative light, I think he probably had to be that way. At points everybody in the crew except Charlie (Ray, Kevin, Don, etc) either quit or was on the verge of quitting. Charlie never showed that and I think they needed that hard, almost ruthless leadership Charlie displayed later in the run in order to get there. That sort of accomplishment just blew my mind, I can’t even come close to wrapping my head around it.

    Great start to the year Rich, keep it up

  • Jaimela Dulaney says:

    Loved the interview. Good life lessons.

  • dukha says:

    I loved this discussion – Charlie has an incredible story, and the interview was awesome!

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