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To Struggle Is To Be Alive

By November 30, 2014January 18th, 20243 Comments

Lots of excitement and anticipation about today’s guest. One of the most lauded, celebrated and accomplished athletes on the planet, let me introduce you to the guy who can seemingly run forever:

Dean Karnazes.

We’re talking about a guy TIME magazine named one of the “Top 100 Most Influential People in the World.” Men’s Fitness magazine hailed him as one of the fittest men on the planet. An internationally recognized endurance athlete, NY Times bestselling author, in demand public speaker, and successful entrepreneur, Dean has pushed his body, mind and spirit to places most people simply cannot fathom.

To give you an idea of what Dean is all about, let’s briefly run through a few of his ridiculous mind-bending running accomplishments:

  • Ran 350 miles in under 81 hours foregoing sleep for 3 days;
  • Ran a marathon in each of the 50 states in 50 consecutive days;
  • On 11 occasions, ran a 200 mile relay race solo, racing alongside teams of 12;
  • Won the 4 Desert Race Series in 2008, traversing the Gobi, Antacara, Sahara and Antarctica;
  • Won the Badwater 135 in 2004 and has run this race 10 times;
  • Ran 148 miles on a treadmill in 24 hours; and
  • Ran 3000 miles across the US from Disneyland to NYC in 75 days, running 40-50 miles / day

Given all of these feats of astounding endurance and more, Dean is widely lauded as one of the greatest athletes of our time — an accolade deserved if you ask me.

But it wasn’t alway this way. After success on the track in high school, Dean put running in his rear view in favor of business. But by age 30, he found himself at a spiritual crossroads. Dissatisfied with the successful, comfortable life he had built for himself, he yearned for something more. He yearned for challenge. He yearned for discomfort. He yearned for struggle. Because to struggle is to be alive.

After a now famous drunken all night run following his 30th birthday party, the rest is well documented running history. Dean chronicles his discovery and love of running in his bestselling memoir  Ultramarathon Man*a must read for anyone who loves an inspirational story of adversity and personal triumph — and his journey continues in his follow up tomes  50/50*, and  Run!*  Not enough? Dean is currently hard at work on a new book – a novelized look at the amazing life of Pheidippedes, the legendary Greek who ran from Marathon to Athens to deliver news of a military victory against the Persians, a subject close to Dean’s heart given his Greek heritage.

How does Dean do it? Some chalk it up to genetics – a freakishly high lactate threshold; an unnaturally high tolerance for pain; and an unusual ability to tolerate sleep deprivation Setting aside debate on whether these mental and physiological data points are earned or inherited, I feel compelled to say that the answer to this question is far more complex. And far more interesting.

I first met Dean very briefly back at a trade show back in 2011. In 2012, he was gracious enough to give me a very kind endorsement blurb for my book Finding Ultra*. But I can’t honestly say I really knew the man. Then, out of the blue, he sent me short, cryptic email in early 2013:

Dean: Any desire to spend a few relaxing days out in Death Valley this summer?

Me: Are you asking me what I think you’re asking me?

Indeed he was. A formal invite to help support Dean’s 10th assault on the legendary Badwater 135— widely considered the world’s toughest footrace. It was an offer I simply could not refuse.

Beyond the honor, it was an extraordinary experience (for my first-hand account, check out my podcast chat with Josh Spector last year – episode #40 ). I have to say I was in over my head on this one – I simply hadn’t been training that much at the time — but I am so grateful for the experience, one I won’t soon forget. Myself, along with Jason Koop, Brendan Freise and Nathan Peerbolt spent 24 hours pacing Dean across Death Valley and up the Mt. Whitney portals. My personal highlight was running alongside Dean through a huge portion of the night straight through to daybreak. Despite the pain he endured, Dean found the wherewithal to talk to me at length about everything — running, writing, marriage, family, business and just everyday life.

When the sun rose, I felt like I knew the real Dean.

Over the course of that 24 hour race, I saw Dean sail and I saw him struggle. I observed how he handled incredible duress and extraordinary suffering in 130 F temperatures unfit for humans. I witnessed how patience and experience and faith and sheer determination got him through the countless tough spots, the dark abyss and ultimately across the Badwater finish line for the 10th time. And not for nothing, in the days before and after the race I took note of how he navigates his fame and popularity with gentlemanly presence, grace and gratitude.


(Me pacing Dean at Badwater, the legendary David Goggins in the background)

I consider this man to be one of the great champions of our time. A true role model. An inspiration to me personally and to millions worldwide. And someone I am lucky to call both a mentor and a friend.

So what makes Dean Karnazes the most successful ultra-distance runner on Earth? Now in his 50’s, how has Dean’s perspective on nutrition evolved? After accomplishing so much, what continues to drive him? How is he able to run such great distances seemingly without fatigue? And how does he successfully balance his running with his philanthropic endeavors, raising kids, maintaining a healthy marriage, running a successful business, his countless speaking engagements, appearances and travel commitments?

Well, let’s find out. I sincerely hope you enjoy this week’s conversation.

Peace + Plants,


P.S. This is a special week. We just celebrated the show’s 2 year anniversary and we just surpassed 4 million total podcast downloads! Wow. That’s a lot of downloads. I don’t know what to say. I’m elated, happy, grateful and humbled more than you know. Appropriate given the import of this particular holiday weekend. If you’ve been with me from the start, you are familiar with our humble beginnings. I launched this thing with no attachment to the result. My expectations for all of this were zero. I just felt this urge to continue the conversation that Finding Ultra had started by sharing some of the people, information, knowledge, inspiration and tools that have been so helpful to me along this path. I’m blown away by what the show has become and can’t thank all of you enough for all the passion, support and for, well, just being an incredible audience. All I can say is that I promise to keep getting better at this – upping my game – and will do everything in my power to bring you the best people and information I can. Anyway, just a long winded thanks — you guys are awesome.



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  • Justine Diaz says:

    Great episode! Thank you 🙂

  • Tommy F says:

    Hi Rich, Another stellar podcast! (even with the background construction going on).. with Dean Karnazes. Such a superhuman lifestyle, for sure. And it’s obvious that his clean diet and mindful presence are the foundation of his continued outward success.
    You mentioned during the podcast, of removing social media apps from your cell phone. I totally recommend this! I did the same thing earlier this year, and it’s amazing how I’ve become much more mindful of the things happening around me. I also stopped watching professional sports and any live TV this year. It’s like I’ve regained an aspect of myself, which had been mindlessly lost in the abyss of technology.
    Thx for continuing to inspire us with your all-star guests and unique perspective, centering around wellness.

  • Veronica says:

    Sooo great. This is the feeling I’m generally invaded by, the world is full of such awesome people! thanks for bringing them so authentically close to us. Priceless. Don’t forget that a portion of your audience (no idea how many) lives outside the US, in the rest of the world! Sometimes when I’m listening to you I feel rather invisible, like the world finishes at the US borders for you, like the rest of the world doesn’t exist, Your inspiration has gone beyond them, don’t forget us. For example, in Sao Paulo, we do struggle with holiday challenges (emotions, emotional eating, interrupted routines, training, mediation practices etc) yet its very hot! Instead of getting under the covers you want to lie on the beach with a caipirinha!!! Just saying, something to bear in mind. Love you & Srimati.

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