“It’s not that you have a spiritual life. You are a spiritual life.”
Religion was never for me. Despite many a youthful hour spent kneeling on hardwood church pews, it just never connected.
What do all those stained glass windows, depressing organ dirges, and uptight people have to do with art and beauty and meaning and love and purpose and mystery and ultimately what it means to be human?
Nothing as far as I could tell. So I searched for answers elsewhere. In the bottom of a bottle. Prowling underground after parties in lower Manhattan. In a mental institution called rehab. In midnight conversations with skid row junkies. In the sound of my breath, lost on a mountain trail run at dawn. During afternoons spent undulating with dolphins in Hawaii. In the overwhelming love I feel simply watching my children sleep.
My search didn’t lead back to religion. But it did lead to faith. A deep faith of my own design. Faith in an undefined, unlimited power greater than myself. A faith that quite literally saved my life when I was utterly lost, completely broken and unconditionally beyond repair. A faith that has since infused my journey with meaning, purpose and satisfaction beyond my wildest imagination.
Some call my version of faith God. Call it whatever you like. I don’t care.
What I do care about is what it really means to be a spiritual being having a human experience.
This week’s guest has a few thoughts on the subject — an anti-establishment pastor provocateur making an indelible cultural impact on how we think and practice divinity, faith, and religion in the modern world.
Named one of 2011’s 100 Most Influential People in the World by Time Magazine, Rob Bell has presided over mega congregations, toured with Oprah and been profiled in The New Yorker. iTunes named his podcast, The RobCast, one of the Best of 2015 and he has penned more than a handful of New York Times bestsellers, including Love Wins, the Oprah book of the month What We Talk About When We Talk about God, and his most recent book, How To Be Here: A Guide to Creating a Life Worth Living.
To me, what makes Rob so undeniably captivating is his independent-minded, radically inclusive — almost punk rock — perspective on faith. Breaking ranks with entrenched, pedantic notions of antiquated Christian church doctrine, his message upends the divisive aspects of religious ideology, recontextualizing the canon as a highly relatable, welcome pallium for all — a comprehensive fiat that boils down to one central premise:
Love wins. Always.
These days, Rob’s oratory of choice isn’t of the gothic variety. Instead, he prefers to deliver his populist homilies in voguey venues like comedy and improv clubs, including a standing appointment at Largo, Hollywood’s buzzworthy alternative event space known more for indie rock acts like Fiona Apple, Elliot Smith and Rufus Wainwright than some ecclesiastic waxing on about God and man’s place in the universe.
I’ve never met anyone quite like Rob — seriously, what kind of pastor loves surfing and Sigur Rós? Blasphemy!
Incredibly warm and irresistibly inviting, Rob prompted one of the most interesting and engaging exchanges I have ever had on the subject of faith. It’s a conversation about humility, spirituality and God. It’s about why religion has failed so many. And it’s about love.
Because everything is spiritual.
It was an absolute delight spending a few hours with Rob. I love everything about this exchange. I hope you do too.
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Background, Context & Reference
- Connect With Rob: Website | Instagram | Facebook
- RobBell: Everything is Spiritual 2006 Tour Film
- NOOMA: a series of short films: nooma.com
- TheNewYorker: The Hell-Raiser by Kelefa Sanneh
- ChristianPost: Rob Bell: ‘I Don’t Use the Word Christian, Jesus Would Be Mortified Religion Started in His Name’ by Michael Gryboski
- Time: Pastor Rob Bell: What if Hell Doesn’t Exist? by Jon Meacham
- Time: The 2011 Time 100: Rob Bell
- RelevantMag: Is Rob Bell a Universalist? by Josh Loveless
- LATimes: Rob Bell: podcaster, bestselling author, performer and, yes, pastor by Agatha French
- Oprah: Rob Bell: the Best Sermon You Can Preach Is Me Too
- OnFaith: Who’s Really Demeaning the Bible, Anyway? A Q&A with Rob Bell by Ryan Kohls
- HuffPost:Rob Bell, The Pastor Who Questioned Hell, Is Now Surfing, Working With Oprah And Loving Life In L.A. by Sarah Pulliam Bailey
- SuperSoul: Rob Bell: “It’s Ok To Be Open” (Video)
- TheBlaze: What He Said About Hell and the Bible Rocked the Christian World. Here’s What Ex-Pastor Rob Bell Is Up to Four Years Later by Billy Hallowell
- RelevantMag: Through Hell And Back by Issac Edwards
- WashingtonPost: Rob Bell’s ‘Everything Is Spiritual’ tour explores the evolution of the universe by Jesse James Deconto
- WhatIWantToKnow: Rob Bell
- Velvet Elvis: Repainting the Christian Faith* by Rob Bell
- Sex God: Exploring the Endless Connections Between Sexuality and Spirituality* by Rob Bell
- Jesus Wants to Save Christians: Learning to Read a Dangerous Book* by Rob Bell
- Drops Like Stars: A Few Thoughts on Creativity and Suffering* by Rob Bell
- Love Wins: A Book About Heaven, Hell, and the Fate of Every Person Who Ever Lived* by Rob Bell
- What We Talk About When We Talk About God* by Rob Bell
- The Gods Aren’t Angry* by Rob Bell
- Jesus Wants to Save Christians: A Manifesto for the Church in Exile* by Rob Bell
- The Zimzum of Love: A New Way of Understanding Marriage* by Rob Bell & Kristen Bell
- How To Be Here: A Guide to Creating a Life Worth Living* by Rob Bell
Notable People Discussed In Today’s Podcast
- Lisa Randall: American theoretical physicist and an expert on particle physics and cosmology
- Elizabeth Gilbert: American author, essayist, short story writer, biographer, novelist, and memoirist
- Michael Beckwith: American New Thought minister, author, and founder of the Agape International Spiritual Center in Culver City, California
- Phyllis Tickle: American author and lecturer whose work focuses on spirituality and religion issues
Related Podcasts You Might Enjoy
- RRP #179: Jason Garner – From A Life of Matter To A Life That Matters
- RRP #151: WuDe – Meditations on Buddhist Philosophy & The Art of Being
Thanks to Jason Camiolo for production, interstitial music and audio engineering; Chris Swan for production assistance & show notes; Shawn Patterson for graphics.
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